I can't help but feel kindof sad about all the ready-made materials that are available for assemblage artists now. The same "vintage" ephemera printed by the hundreds and stacked on shelves at craft stores or sold online so we can make "unique" art, calling to mind travel and life experience and times past.
If its supposed to call those things to mind, why are we buying this stuff at wal-mart? Why aren't we living, traveling (it doesn't matter if you go to Europe or your local coffee shop, just got somewhere) and gathering things from our own lives? That is what makes these objects so rich! That they were collected by a real person who took notice of a crumped bit of trash or an old stamp or one of those nobody-knows-who-this-is-anymore old photos in an antique store.
How do you balance the alure of seeing something on the shelf at the craft store--oh, wouldn't that lend some magic to my work!--and really finding things that have real magic?
If its supposed to call those things to mind, why are we buying this stuff at wal-mart? Why aren't we living, traveling (it doesn't matter if you go to Europe or your local coffee shop, just got somewhere) and gathering things from our own lives? That is what makes these objects so rich! That they were collected by a real person who took notice of a crumped bit of trash or an old stamp or one of those nobody-knows-who-this-is-anymore old photos in an antique store.
How do you balance the alure of seeing something on the shelf at the craft store--oh, wouldn't that lend some magic to my work!--and really finding things that have real magic?
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Sad, yet utterly necessary, as well as normal and actually healthy.
Sun, March 12, 2006 - 9:02 AM1. Assemblage Art is a long neglected, yet currently quickly growning form of creative expression. At the same time, there is a very finite amount of true vintage ephemera, as well as tactile objects that is still in existance on this planet. The increasing demand for this limited resource, of course, further reduces supply. Hence the need for mass production of pseudo-"vintage" stickers, images, reproductions and copies of items from a simple quantity viewpoint.
The sad part is the expense to acquire those true vintage pieces, be it in time hunting for sources, or money paid for someone to part with it. A bag of old buttons that used to sell for $1.00 is now $4-5 or higher, simply because they are truly "vintage," (i.e. old stuff), rather than modern, plastic copies. Old books, cards, and other epherma are now becoming so "trendy," that costs are rising, more from the designation of "vintage," than from true value (e.g. quality of paper/ink, history, etc.).
2. The mass production and sale of "vintage" epherma has been around for at least the last 100 years or so, since the printing press made it easy for people to buy designs for crafts and creating, rather than having to draw them individually. Dover Publications has offered books of vintage design collections reproduced since 1941. The development of plastics further enabled mass reproduction of "vintage" objects, such as charms, buttons, and other 3d items at low cost. If anything, I am grateful for the abundance of designs and objects being reproduced in such quantities, because the selection IS so great, and the cost often times within reason for the effect I am trying to creatively achieve.
3. Old charms and the like also often contained lead, or other metals, which, in addition to not necessarily being healthy, also contributed to deterioration. Much of the antique paper works are in very fragile condition. A lot of today's reproductions make "archival quality" an important consideration, helping to ensure that my creation survives the passages of time better than had I used true vintage papers or items.
4. The reason we aren't "living, travelling, and gathering things from our own lives," is that firstly, our daily lives do not contain such fascinating objects in the quantities as those we seek out in the aisles of the local crafts section or hobby superstore (see No. 1, above). Secondly, to travel to the local coffeeshop will garner me some plastic stir sticks, some generic paper napkins, and a $3.95 dent in my wallet, which would better serve me for a packet of "vintage" sticker reproductions. Imagine the savings/investment benefits of not going to Europe to seek some interesting vintage postcards!!!
Time and money are how you balance the alure of seeing something on the shelf at the craft store, and really finding things that have real magic. You need to have enough time to create first. Then you allocate your time and money as needed to provide you with the materials required for you to create in the time you have. If that allows you to haunt antique stores to buy old typewriters, so that you can remove the keys, rather than buy mass-produced copies at the craft store, more power to you. You will have the pride of knowing those keys are genuine vintage. I will have to content myself with craft store plastic copies, and hope that the work I create with them will be unique enough through other criteria, such as composition, painting, or other personal touches that the "authenticity" of the materials utilized to communicate will be irrelevant. I don't have the time to hunt as much as I would like for cool stuff, and I'm already at the craft store getting glue, and I could SO use those little silver-edged travel stickers for this one project...and they're on sale...
It's not what it is, where it came from, or how you got it. '
It's what you do with it that matters.
Go create something and be happy.
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Re: Sad, yet utterly necessary, as well as normal and actually healthy.
Sun, March 12, 2006 - 6:59 PMi agree maddy. i have used a combiation of old and new in some projects and i'm also grateful for the technology that allows me to reproduce some of the old stuff that i don't want to cut or alter in its original state. -
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Re: Sad, yet utterly necessary, as well as normal and actually healthy.
Tue, April 4, 2006 - 11:08 PMI agree with all posts on this subject and would like to add that the essence of seeing and collecting items from real to life travel lends itself to the piece as does the visual or functional value so with this in mind, I approach my own daily coming and goings with the same eye and motivation of the travelling collector. My life as a travel adventure as I move through my own backyard, my own hood, or a short trip north to the town I grew up to see family. Along the way, I make a point to find collectiables..
flyers from telephone poles
graffiti stickers
old muni passes
newspaper words/headlines/different language newspapers such as chinese or russian
postage stamps *thankfully not everyone I know is wired to the net so I still get some snailmail
I buy cloths at yardsales for buttons and yardsales can provide old postals
and of course books to alter.
I look for old scrap books to disasemble at church rummage sales
paper covers from chopsticks
coffee coasters...
Of course being in the city gives me a wealth of resources, but I have taken this approach when living on a small island and collected tons of material.
Look! Under your nose! Notice that which goes un-noticed.
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Re: The lure of read-made materials
Mon, May 29, 2006 - 12:22 PMI have to agree with Monet. The mass production of "found art" materials cheapens the art of the found. I love to look through a publication called Somerset Studio which always features something on altered imagery. Although the publication is beautiful to look at essentially it can be repetetive and the art starts to look alike-- Esp. when reading the "recipes" for how to make the work. The advent of selling "findings" in your local craft or department store depresses me. To be quite honest I have been doing altered imagery and found object assemblage for about 20 years now. My days spent looking through old scrabble boxes to find letters seemingly were for nothing. Now I can by scrabble tile stickers for 1.98. Please please please do not say that it's not where you find the findings. The journey is half the fun. The difference between buying a copper tag that says "dream" on it and actually stamping dream into a piece of copper is the act of creating or the act of finding. In saying that there is no difference between finding cool stuff and just buying it at WalMart is this: Sampled music becomes the pirate's music if mixed with a different beat
A chocolate cake mix is as good as a chef's creation; a print out of a Monet painting on canvas covered with gel medium to reproduce brush strokes is as good as the original. A sequel to a movie that has the same plot as the first one is every bit worth watching.
Everything is too easy. We are all about having things given to us. As a nation our attention spans are low we want to be passively entertained. Thank god for art.
Be original
Find new things--it doesn't have to be vintage it just has to speak to you
Make original art --don't just copy the style and genre of something.
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Re: The lure of read-made materials
Tue, May 30, 2006 - 11:52 AMColleen, you may not realize it, but you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth...
Additionally, you are unsuccessfully attempting to mix apples and oranges.
1. Regarding "recipes" for how to make the work - That's the purpose of a "recipe," to provide consistently general instructions to enable anyone to achieve the same result. No "how to" article can provide the spark of individual creativity, and, at a certain point, if you've seen one lesson on how to collage, you've seen 'em all...And that is a whole new and different level of creativity that not everyone gets into.
2. The "findings" in the local craft store that depress you are not true "findings," in most cases, as much as they are "replicas." Just as "Scrabble tile stickers" are images printed on paper, and do not have the physical mass, nor tactile feel of a genuine wooden tile. Two different animals, although they may visually look the same...What if you could buy bags of just Scrabble tiles, or just wooden tiles with letters burned into them? Would they still not be worthy of consideration, simply because you didn't get the board, scorepad and tile holders with them???
The same goes for your analogy about the Monet print with textured gel medium to simulate brush strokes. Two entirely different animals, despite appearances. A visual replica is not the same as the original, even when the original is a mass-produced item, which every "found object" usually is...
3. You are absolutely correct in that it is NOT where you find the findings, although you can't see that truth. It is the FINDING itself, not how you acquire it, nor in what quantity...
4. While YOU may find the journey of the find to be half the fun, not everyone does. Personally, I do not have the time to spend searching. I far prefer acquiring my "findings" quickly and easily, and then spending that time "not-journeying," either creating, or dealing with the rest of my hectic Life...Why do I have to create the copper tag and stamp it, if I can utilize a mass-produced one? Just because I might stamp the letters in a different tilt, or depth, or accuracy? Please. Since the tag is not the artwork itself, but rather one element of many utilized in the creation of a work, it is like saying putting a nail into the wall to hang a picture just isn't as satisfying unless I forge the nail myself...You go right ahead, but I'll just grab one from my package of mass-produced nails, and get back to the business of hanging the picture.
I buy pound lots of my brass findings, charms, and vintage junk jewelry off e-bay, because the time, energy, and gasoline to drive around town searching garage sales and flea markets is much better spent at home, with the stuff delivered to my doorstep. That's just MY way, which doesn't make it right or wrong, just as your choice to jouney out to find your stuff is neither right or wrong...
5. There is NOTHING WRONG with mass produced things, depending upon HOW YOU USE THEM. If you take the moment to objectively step back, you will probably have to admit that EVERY "found object" you have used for the past 20 years was NOT uniquely created, and was, more than likely, mass produced. That its original intended usage (such as Scrabble tiles, for example) was not necessarily the creation of art, and that you did not acquire it in a bag of 5-10 duplicates off a peg board with 5-10 bags just like it, next to a peg of the same thing, except a different color, is moot.
6. Your comparisons are inconsistent and overly judgemental.
A chocolate cake mix, if prepared properly can and does produce a product that matches any chef's, as the basic ingredients of flour, leavening, sugar, salt, water, oil, and eggs is the same, whether you hand measure it out, or use a pre-measured, pre-mixed box. The addition of other ingredients, such as flavor extracts, chips, nuts, etc., are the specialized touches that individualize ANY cake...
A sequel to a movie that has the SAME plot is never worth watching, because it is not truly a sequel, as much as a repeat. A sequel with the same characters, but a NEW plot is often every bit worth watching, and sometimes more, as evidenced by the original Star Wars Trilogies, Oceans Twelve (the sequel to Oceans 11), the current X-men trilogy, and others. Of course, you then have to factor in other considerations, such as the stars, the director, the screenplay...all factors that can adversely affect the quality. Also, sequels are continuations, or subsequent developments of a story, which is NOTHING like purchasing mass produced items, or replicas of an item.
As for your analogy regarding sampled music, well, those artists are better at mixing music than you are mixing metaphors. Sampled music only becomes "pirate's music," if they don't pay the copyright to use it, the beat they set it to has nothing to do with legalities. Many, many, MANY popular hip-hop songs utilize samples that the artists have paid the copyright license to use, and the songs are platinum multi-sellers. It neither cheapens the original song (in some cases, it has helped boost sales of the original), nor does it correlate to the usage of mass-produced items in formulatic artistic creations.
7. "Find new things - it doesn't have to be vintage, it just has to speak to you."
Well, if that advice holds true, then why can't I find new things at the crafts store or Wal-Mart? I've been known to buy wooden drink coasters at the dollar store by the dozen. All mass produced, all inexpensive. The fact that I then ALTER them, and turn them into artistic wall hangings doesn't change the fact that they are cheap mass productions. It's what I did with them, because they talked to me, that makes them unique and original...
Mass production of "found art" materials does not cheapen the art. It is how they are used or incorrectly used, that "cheapens" the art, but even then, that has nothing to do with the art of the found, unless it totally usurps and replaces the art of the found, which I seriously doubt is ever going to happen...
8. Recipe art isn't produced to please you. YOUR art is produced to please you. Just because I want to hurl chunks everytime I see a Kinkade pseudo-religious "Painting of Light," doesn't mean it shouldn't be made, marketed, or mass-produced as prints, lithographs, limited edition china plates, 3-d porcelain sculptures, cross stitch and needlepoint kits, greeting cards, t-shirts, scrapbook stickers, and all the rest, because it is not being produced for my benefit. I always have the option to simply ignore it, and continue on along my own path. And that is exactly what I do.
"Recipe Art" is meant to help people learn how to create, and how to achieve similar results to works they see in magazines such as Somerset Studios magazine and others. Not everyone who wants to create art has the innate ability or experience to do so. "Recipe Art" allows them to create by following instructions, achieving a work similar to whatever piece inspired them in the first place. Without "Recipe Art," why would anyone bother to ever take an assemblage workshop, such as those offered at "ArtFest" and other venues the world over?
Being "original" means to be unique or innovative. Everyone is original just in the fact that no two people will do things exactly the same. As long as it makes someone happy to create something, who are you, who am I, who is ANYONE to then try and tell them what they can and can't do to create???
No one is expecting you to "take it." You always have the option to just ignore it, and continue on along your own path...It is presumptuous and disdainful of you to attempt to dicate the artistic expression of others simply because they use materials that you do not care for, just as it would be if you did not care for the glues used, the paint colors applied, or the way it is displayed.
The purpose of art is to create. Not necessarily to please anyone except the person doing the creating...
~M
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Re: The lure of read-made materials
Mon, June 5, 2006 - 12:31 PMWow--for anyone with a hectic lifestyle you sure did have time to write a graduate thesis. Truth to tell my life is hectic too and just didnt' see the point of reading what apparently was a poison pen letter about how I felt about "findings" --please I have much better things to do. I am currently casting millweed in paper --I just couldn't find them in Walmart.
I was under the impression that this forum was a place to post thoughts and ideas. Since these are my thoughts on "findings" it is actually you who seems rather judgemental and, in fact, quite angry. Personally I don't care where you find your charms and bobbles. You don't have to justify your creative life to me. -
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Re: The lure of ready-made materials
Wed, June 7, 2006 - 10:03 AMUm.
We're artists. We are passionate about our process. How we make art is connected to what it means to us. How we make art varies from person to person. No one likes someone else climbing into her/his head and messing around.
We're all a little touchy sometimes.
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Re: The lure of ready-made materials
Wed, June 7, 2006 - 5:02 PMI took a deep breath and I feel better. I'm not touchy but I like this deep breath thing. I think I'll keep doing it until I go to sleep.
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Re: The lure of ready-made materials
Wed, June 7, 2006 - 7:20 PMHi all,
I've been sort of lurking about on this tribe for a while (several months?) now without having posted, being a newcomer to even the concept of altered books and such, never having done one (but a million in my mind -- God, have I ever!!) ...
... and since I have no idea where to begin, I'm just going to jump in here, just insert myself in right at the bottom of this big banana pile and go "first off, I'm sure glad that this group had the collective presence of mind not to implode on itself and to instead be able to absorb a dialogue with some fairly well articulated and impassioned P.O.V.'s that were -- not to put too fine a point on it -- certainly set up in different camps.
Well, that's just cool. That's people being grown up and showing some respect for other peoples' colors, even though those colors might not be their own particular palette ... and it didn't turn into the kind of conflagration that I have seen (haven't we all seen them?) in other tribes ... other environments, way, way, way too many times. It seems to me to be the rule rather than the exception.
Anyway, that's just my two cents. I wanted to say thank you for setting the table and not forgetting the peace and the deep breathing. Because that is just not a part of the set-up nowadays, too much of the time. At least not at the tables I'm pullin' up a seat at!
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Re: The lure of ready-made materials
Wed, June 7, 2006 - 7:54 PMNo... we are generally deep-breathers. Just careful around the glue...lol
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Re: The lure of ready-made materials
Thu, June 8, 2006 - 1:24 AMThanks for the welcome!
Instead of running away, what I have seen happen here is something rare and special -- people acting like grown-ups -- that makes me want to stay and see how it's done.
Man, that's COOL. Can ya teach me? I'm thinking maybe I can learn me somethin' in here!
Have a good one, everybody ...
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Re: The lure of ready-made materials
Wed, June 7, 2006 - 8:18 PMwell said, das chukkster, well said.
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Re: The lure of read-made materials
Tue, June 20, 2006 - 7:36 PMwow, artists are fiery folks aren't we! I hope I didn't start something that got anyone's feelings hurt. I think this was a great argument and I learned from both viewpoints.
I think that I feel more glad ,having read all this, of the availability of craft items. I've been using a 50-50 mixture of storebought and scavengered items, and they do a good job of supplementing eachother. I suppose there is virtue to both, and each can bring out the best in the other. I don't feel so guilty about buying a few bits scrapbook items, but I'm glad to know Susan can relate to my need for stuff that's been around the block.
That said, I've been visiting a lot of antique stores and seeing a truckload of postcards and photographs that are anywhere from $3 to 10cents a peice. It's available and cheap--but we could also argue that no matter where you buy it, it's still storebought. I suppose what I'm looking for is something that someone owned at some point, something a little roughed up. There is something romantic about knowing this even if no one else realizes it or cares. Its for me. Isn't that why we make stuff? -
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Re: The lure of read-made materials
Mon, September 18, 2006 - 12:44 AMThis is my first post in this tribe (can I take my answer on the air?)
I've used both found and store-bought materials in collage. For one, the new stuff is archival and doesn't break down over time, or at least at the same rate as the original stuff. But there is something almost 'magical' about the found items--the objet-trouve. Sometimes the found object is too precious to glue to a page only to be charcoaled or painted over. My compromise is to follow Duchamp and Cornell's example of the dossier. They just collected stuff and put them in boxes. No collage, no assemblage, no box with a baby doll, stuffed bird, and excelsior. They exchanged these boxes from time to time. So I don't have to use that Union Pacific passenger train billet found in an abandoned hotel above my family's restaurant, or the world war II servicemen's currency (THANK GOD FOR SCANNERS) or my great-grandmother's admittance papers from Angel Island. I just put that stuff into the scrap-box.
Now, I'm breathing deeply.
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Re: The lure of read-made materials
Sat, February 17, 2007 - 9:38 PMHere's another thing- has anybody noticed the lack of junk lately? the thrift stores are trying to be department stores, with all of their colorizing and sorting, and goodwill lis the worst of the lot. even the small local stores which, if you can find them at all, look like librarys and don't have any loose pieces of anything. please god don't tell me this stuff is now in the landfills, cause I will go there ilf I have too! no puzzle pieces or old gameboards, no loose buttons or accidental beaded treasures, nothing to scoop up in your hands. I use things cut from magazines., but it doesn't replace the finds. -
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Re: The lure of read-made materials
Wed, February 21, 2007 - 1:46 PMCould you find that stuff on craigslist or freecycle. I bet a lot of people would love to know you'd accept it.
(I also gotta wonder if ti's worth building relationships with your thrift stores--maybe they'd be happy to give it to you, if they know you'd take it.)
JUst a thought, really.
(and given the huge increase in value of wooden scrabble tiles due to scrapbooking and mah jong tiles due to those bracelets, is it possible that those are being sold on ebay or something?) -
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Re: The lure of read-made materials
Thu, February 22, 2007 - 11:56 PMI asked the cashier at goodwill recently when I was in there, what happens to the junk that gets donated? he said that everything that gets stuffed into those boxes goes to a central clearinghouse where it is sorted. the good stuff gets sent to the stores, and the junk gets bagged up and sold at auction. I've never been to an auction, but you can bet that I will go. also freecycle was a great idea! I am active in my local group, just never thought about posting for junk! thank you! -
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Re: The lure of read-made materials
Fri, March 30, 2007 - 3:09 PMin oakland we have a place called the east bay depot for creative re-use that hs just this sort of thing. in sf there's a similar place called scrap. maybe look for something like that in your area? -
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Re: The lure of read-made materials
Fri, March 30, 2007 - 3:19 PMThe Great Thing about SCRAP is that they have this website telling you how to set up such a resource. Often for teachers in these days of nonexistent art budgets. Okay, so maybe all you want is a fish and not to learn to fish, but I keep posting the link because I think this movement should spread.
www.scrap-sf.org/start.htm
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